Something to whine about

by Katrina on March 10, 2010

A few weeks ago I met a woman who is an executive at a Fortune 500 company. She looked the part, with her power suit, well-applied eyeshadow, and short mid-west haircut. Let’s call her Cheryl. We were at a conference together having an informal women’s lunch. Cheryl told me she had a teenage daughter and had been asked to give a talk to a group of women at her company about work-family balance.

“I didn’t know what to tell them,” she said, adjusting her salad plate on her lap. “You just do it.”

I think I said something about how hard it is to get used to being a new parent.

“Frankly,” Cheryl said, looking straight ahead at the sea of women milling about with their salads. “I think women whine too much.”

As soon as I heard this sweeping judgment leave her lips, somewhere deep within the dark and mildewed basement corner of my brain, I formulated a judgment about Cheryl:

As if you even know what you’re talking about. You have one kid and she hasn’t been in diapers for ten years! How many hours do you sleep a night?

OK. Take a breath.

Let’s examine Cheryl’s statement in the cool light of day. Women whine too much.

Does whining on the court count?

Is this true? Do the women you know whine too much? What about the men you know…Do they whine too much? The women I know certainly talk more than the men I know. Do they whine more? Possibly. Do I? About some things. I think my husband whines more than me when he’s sick. Does that count?

Let’s step back and look at the bigger picture.

Most of the women I know do more housework than their husbands, including the women who work full time. They do more childcare. They arrange most of the play dates, the summer camps, the dentist appointments, the after school arrangements, the school events, all that stuff. Even when the dads are awesome, involved, fun, responsible dads who do drop offs and pick ups and help with homework, the moms almost always handle the kid logistics.

The moms carry more of what I think of as the psychic burden of parenting. Many of the dads I know are great, don’t get me wrong, but they will be the first to admit they aren’t being measured by the same standards as the moms. The bar is lower for them. And even in the progressive Bay Area, when I go to a meeting at my son’s preschool, the moms outnumber the dads five to one. Whether right or wrong, we are not sharing the responsibilities of parenting evenly.

This is just anecdotal. Let’s take another step back and look at some facts.

  • Women hold more college degrees than men and make up fully half of U.S. workers and yet, look at almost any corporation or government office and the majority of leadership positions are held by men, not women.
  • Women still make 78 cents on the dollar compared with their male counterparts. The gap gets wider between college-educated workers.
  • The wage gap between mothers and non-mothers is even worse that the gap between women and men.
  • Motherhood is the single biggest risk factor for poverty in old age.
  • When women drop out of the workforce to take care of children, it can be incredibly difficult to reenter the workforce. And if they do manage to reenter the workforce full time, they lose 18% of their earning power. [1]

Perhaps, ladies, we have something to whine about.

So, back to lunch.

“I see it a little differently,” I said to my lunch companion. “I think women judge each other too much.”

It’s hard to describe the change that came over Cheryl’s face. Everything softened. If she was a needle on a compass, she would have flipped from north to south.

“Yes. Yes. I think you’re right,” she said. “We all do it. Even I do it.”

I do it, too. And it’s a distraction from the issues I care about.

So I’d like to ask two questions. How are you judging other women? And, can we cut each other a little slack? Because if we can, we might learn to be kinder to ourselves. And if we can do that, maybe then we can make some progress on the issues we all care about.

[1] Mary Ann Mason & Eve Mason Ekman, “Mothers on the Fast Track” p. 63, 2007

{ 15 comments… read them below or add one }

Anne

I think I would die if I couldn’t whine to my friends. There’s something so cathartic about it. And a productive whining session can yield some great solutions to those parental logistic problems we all face.

But you have to whine to the right people — people in the same boat. Whining to my mother-in-law, coworker etc. doesn’t really help.

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Gabby

Funny that I should be reading this post this morning. I just came from a breakfast meeting with a work partner. She’s a mom and our daughters also go to the same school. We met at the local bakery and since her other daughter is “home” with a cold, she had her two younger kids with her. I’ve always thought of her with a mix of admiration and contempt. She one of those mom’s that I’d love to be good friends with, but she’s always surrounded by other “very hip” moms. She’s in the mom club. She’s got a great job (like me) and is progressively minded (like me), so I can’t help but wonder what that club feeling is about. Am I paranoid? Do I not wear enough natural fiber? No nose ring? Too shy? Anyway – this morning her daughter was acting out during our meeting (go figure) and I found myself working really hard to let her know that it was OK. I told her I was glad it wasn’t just me, and weren’t the pre-adolescent years fun, and that she’s a great mom. I still don’t feel close to her, but after reading this blog, I can give myself a pat on the back that I’m doing my part to support other moms, even when they already seem to feel that they are a little too cool for school.

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Katrina

Well done! Just for the record, I think your cool.

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Angel H

Like Anne says above, you have to whine to the right people…., because whining to the right people will get you what you want- compassion, understanding, someone to validate our feelings. It’s all backwards because we judge other people, and especially other moms, for the same reason; to validate our feelings and our situation to ourselves (at least I’m not that fat/skinny…, I would never let my kids watch/eat/do that….,).
I’ve been thinking about this and I think maybe because there is not enough support, enough compliments or enough cheerleading to help us through our day. We have to get it anyway we can, even if that means engaging in whining or putting someone down. What if instead of just “cutting slack” we give lots of random praise and support? Spread the love on thick! I challenge you to not only not judge that that mom who’s always double parked in front of school in her PJ’s, late, as the bells ringing with 2 other kids in the car, but tell her she’s doing a great job. I bet she doesn’t hear it often. Tell all your friends that they are amazing and have incredible ideas before they even get a chance to whine. Because then the whining wouldn’t sound like whining anymore, and then we might actually be able to get stuff done because we would feel more secure in our mom-power. I think I am done with my rant now 🙂
Thank you again Katrina for giving me something to think about!

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Katrina

Oh, yeah. “Spread the love on thick.” That’s even better. Kelly Corrigan just gave a great reading about this. It’s only 3 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6jQ4VNEA9I

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Sandy Swing

Loving your blog Katrina…

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Jane Ferriera

We’ve all got something to whine about, especially mothers and fathers who are balancing more than can fit on the platter.

It seems we need some solutions. Here are a few off the cuff:

–change the structure of work, such as more flexible hours, home-based work, fewer working hours, more tolerance for children both in the workplace and the demands they make on parents’ schedules

–change the structure of childcare–closer proximity to working parents (e.g. facilities at work)

–change the structure of schools–hours that match parents work schedules, buses that drop children to their parents’ work

–change our budgets–spend less money on luxury and conveniences to allow for more time spent with children and away from work

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Katrina

Love these ideas. Bring em on!

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Mom2gcnj

Amen!

I would add restructuring our economy and our values so that it does not require the work of two people working full-time to meet the financial needs of a family.

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Katrina

“…restructuring our economy and our values so that it does not require the work of two people working full-time to meet the financial needs of a family.”
Yes! I’m so glad someone said this. The 2 f/t working parent model is not sustainable over the long run.

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Jennifer C.

Yum. This made my day. Well written, well researched, and with a terrific dose of humility and compassion for us all.

I bet you are a great mom. You are definitely a lovely writer and a great person to hear from on a regular basis about the challenges, contradictions and and — upside of being a working mother.

It’s ironic that mothers make less in the corporate world … My ability to be an effective leader has grown exponentially from the experience of being a mother.

I won’t go off on how much more effective I’ve become since I left my marriage.

(May just be a measure of just how INEFFECTIVE I was before I was a mother and a divorcee!).

Anyway. Thanks for taking the time to think through, research and write … You are making a valuable contribution.

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Katrina

Thank you for the kind words.

I’m so glad you brought up the stuff about being an effective leader. I had the same experience. Having kids made me more mature, it helped me understand what motivates people so much better, and it gave me incredible focus and perspective. It made me a better employee and a better manager.

So we become better at our jobs, but the flip side is we become more time-constrained when we have kids, and many us of feel guilty about leaving the office while others are still there, taking all those sick days when our kids have strep for a week, etc. Perhaps this explains some of the inequity in pay–our guilt keeps us from asking for that raise…

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Mariana

We judge each other so much that we’ve segregated into camps. There’s the “power-thru it working mom camp” (Cherly is part this camp), the realistic-this-is-hard stuff camp, and there’s the I’ve dropped out since I can’t do it all camp. Then in whole separate camp are the women who don’t have children. We don’t even talk to them anymore. Wherever you sit, you’re judgemental of the others. Where’s the compassion, people? Where’s the realization that we all want different things and that we all have differing capacity.

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Muslim mother

Dear author. I think you are indeed cry too much. You have a housekeeper, nanny, husband. And only two kids on a dale basis. Come on??? Tell me you cannot handle it.
I am a working mom of 3. 15 y.o. daughter and 15 months old twins.. I cannot afford housekeeper or nanny. I am a housekeeper, a cook, a cleaner, a nanny 24/7. My husband works 12 hours a day to bring food on the table. And babysit twins when I am at night shifts.
You wanted to have kids, did not you? You wanted a husband? You want your job?
So stop crying and get to work . You earned it. This is what God wants for you. Would you rather loose any of those blessings? Think before you wish….

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Hazel

Add “choose to” before each verb describing how women supposedly make a disproportionate contribution, and you’ll see the true state of affairs.

Women CHOOSE TO do more housework than…
They CHOOSE TO do more of the childcare…
The CHOOSE TO arrange most of the play dates…

Stop constantly trying to micromanage everything and/or try to live up to the homemaking standards of a chronically unemployed mid 1950’s housewife, and you’ll be amazed at how much easier everything is, how much less stressed you are, and how much more free time you have. You might even bond with your children, rather than emotionally abandoning them while you chase frantically after the approval of other women. 😛

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