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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
		<link>http://www.workingmomsbreak.com/2010/07/12/something-rotten-except-in-the-state-of-denmark/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, Jennifer. That&#039;s brilliant.</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 07:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the most fabulous thing, but also such a new concept in our society that neither of the franchises near me lasted. Dozens of customers were extremely upset about that. I think the businesses broke even, but didn&#039;t profit, which could only last so long. But many still exist around the country. I&#039;m near Danbury, CT, and I know there&#039;s one an hour from me, in the NYC suburbs. Dream Dinners and Let&#039;s Dish are both nationwide franchises... there are several other names out there as well. Again, I recommend it to anyone. I&#039;m thinking of starting a non-profit co-op group on my own--we could use a church or other community kitchen. It really made a difference when I was doing it every month.

The way it worked: There were 6-12 stations, each with a recipe to follow: All the ingredients were laid out at each station, with measuring devices. You&#039;d follow the recipe, seasoning to your own taste, leaving out things if you wanted to, or adding more of one thing, then you&#039;d put the completed meal, uncooked, into a bag with a label on it--identifying the meal and how to prepare it. We used large plastic zip lock bags. The beauty of this is that you can stack 24 of them in layers in your small freezer, believe it or not, and still fit in some ice cream and Lean Cuisines! At dinner time, you pull out one of the healthy meals, throw it in the pan to sautee, or in the oven, and you have a home cooked, healthful, non processed, hot meal in 15-30 minutes. (Some dishes could be put in a slow cooker or stew pot, or on a grill). Of course, three or so meals could be put in the fridge--the ones you&#039;d eat in the proceeding few days. The other benefit is--no  multiple dishes, utensils, pots, pans it would have taken to prep the whole thing at home. Also, if the recipe required rare ingredients--you didn&#039;t have to run out to buy them once, then waste the rest. Anyway, like I said.... 24 meals in a few hours, and talking with friends as you do it (each station fit 2-4 people). Even Netflix took many years to catch on (I remember my cousin told me about Netflix 13 years ago, and it sounded ridiculous--movies by mail), but any really good idea will become popular eventually. Here&#039;s hoping!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the most fabulous thing, but also such a new concept in our society that neither of the franchises near me lasted. Dozens of customers were extremely upset about that. I think the businesses broke even, but didn&#8217;t profit, which could only last so long. But many still exist around the country. I&#8217;m near Danbury, CT, and I know there&#8217;s one an hour from me, in the NYC suburbs. Dream Dinners and Let&#8217;s Dish are both nationwide franchises&#8230; there are several other names out there as well. Again, I recommend it to anyone. I&#8217;m thinking of starting a non-profit co-op group on my own&#8211;we could use a church or other community kitchen. It really made a difference when I was doing it every month.</p>
<p>The way it worked: There were 6-12 stations, each with a recipe to follow: All the ingredients were laid out at each station, with measuring devices. You&#8217;d follow the recipe, seasoning to your own taste, leaving out things if you wanted to, or adding more of one thing, then you&#8217;d put the completed meal, uncooked, into a bag with a label on it&#8211;identifying the meal and how to prepare it. We used large plastic zip lock bags. The beauty of this is that you can stack 24 of them in layers in your small freezer, believe it or not, and still fit in some ice cream and Lean Cuisines! At dinner time, you pull out one of the healthy meals, throw it in the pan to sautee, or in the oven, and you have a home cooked, healthful, non processed, hot meal in 15-30 minutes. (Some dishes could be put in a slow cooker or stew pot, or on a grill). Of course, three or so meals could be put in the fridge&#8211;the ones you&#8217;d eat in the proceeding few days. The other benefit is&#8211;no  multiple dishes, utensils, pots, pans it would have taken to prep the whole thing at home. Also, if the recipe required rare ingredients&#8211;you didn&#8217;t have to run out to buy them once, then waste the rest. Anyway, like I said&#8230;. 24 meals in a few hours, and talking with friends as you do it (each station fit 2-4 people). Even Netflix took many years to catch on (I remember my cousin told me about Netflix 13 years ago, and it sounded ridiculous&#8211;movies by mail), but any really good idea will become popular eventually. Here&#8217;s hoping!</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social meal preparation? How cool. What city are you in? I don&#039;t think we have anything like that in Oakland.</description>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of marketing, your ideas are excellent--because widespread breast feeding, quality childcare, among other things WILL lower health care and special ed costs for everyone. That&#039;s the same reason I&#039;m willing to pay more taxes though--because there will be a cost saving benefit in the long run. But the latter portion is politics, and I don&#039;t think you agree with the political stand of this blog. Which is OK, but everyone should just agree to disagree on that one thing, because it&#039;s a blog for mothers about coping, not politics.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of marketing, your ideas are excellent&#8211;because widespread breast feeding, quality childcare, among other things WILL lower health care and special ed costs for everyone. That&#8217;s the same reason I&#8217;m willing to pay more taxes though&#8211;because there will be a cost saving benefit in the long run. But the latter portion is politics, and I don&#8217;t think you agree with the political stand of this blog. Which is OK, but everyone should just agree to disagree on that one thing, because it&#8217;s a blog for mothers about coping, not politics.  <img src='http://www.workingmomsbreak.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also higher pay scale in more expensive areas, and if one moves to an area with no family, they will often have to pay for more help. So, in reality, she and her husband might earn less and end up in the exact same financial position if they moved to Wisconsin, but they&#039;d be more isolated and less happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also higher pay scale in more expensive areas, and if one moves to an area with no family, they will often have to pay for more help. So, in reality, she and her husband might earn less and end up in the exact same financial position if they moved to Wisconsin, but they&#8217;d be more isolated and less happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana ~
There is a saying that expectations are pre-meditated resentments. Maybe you had the right expectations. Either that or super well behaved kids? They do exist... my sister was one of them. I wasn&#039;t! .... Same parents, two entirely different temperaments. When I dreamed of being a mother, I dreamed about comforting my kids, teaching them, doing activities with them, building their self esteem, nurturing, feeding, playing, even weathering &quot;storms,&quot; but to be honest, I never expected the amount of sibling fighting and rivalry, complaining and whining and lack of gratitude I get. It&#039;s really unrewarding to cook last week&#039;s favorite dinner and have them grimace and groan. I find it so exhausting to have to work at getting vegetables into them, vitamins taken, mess picked up, teeth brushed. ... But, even these hurdles would be much more manageable, if not for the constant incompletions and failures in my days....

I have a friend who had the most stressful job--on the stock market floor, with non-stop demands, people stressed, mad, barking at her, and not a moment to breathe, working 10 hours per day. She&#039;s now a stay-at-home mom and loves it. I totally get that!  For me, I have the perpetual frustration of never getting it all done--either my job suffers, or the quality of family meals does, or the house is a disaster, or I&#039;m sleep deprived and then I get sick because of it, or someone is mad at me for something. This is the single thing that makes the difference between entirely loving parenthood, and only loving it when I&#039;m not being pulled in 80 directions and can actually keep my eyes open. I love my work, love my kids, love my garden, love my pets, really don&#039;t even mind driving or cleaning... but when I have 30 hours of stuff to do in 24 hours, day after day, year after year, it&#039;s tough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana ~<br />
There is a saying that expectations are pre-meditated resentments. Maybe you had the right expectations. Either that or super well behaved kids? They do exist&#8230; my sister was one of them. I wasn&#8217;t! &#8230;. Same parents, two entirely different temperaments. When I dreamed of being a mother, I dreamed about comforting my kids, teaching them, doing activities with them, building their self esteem, nurturing, feeding, playing, even weathering &#8220;storms,&#8221; but to be honest, I never expected the amount of sibling fighting and rivalry, complaining and whining and lack of gratitude I get. It&#8217;s really unrewarding to cook last week&#8217;s favorite dinner and have them grimace and groan. I find it so exhausting to have to work at getting vegetables into them, vitamins taken, mess picked up, teeth brushed. &#8230; But, even these hurdles would be much more manageable, if not for the constant incompletions and failures in my days&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have a friend who had the most stressful job&#8211;on the stock market floor, with non-stop demands, people stressed, mad, barking at her, and not a moment to breathe, working 10 hours per day. She&#8217;s now a stay-at-home mom and loves it. I totally get that!  For me, I have the perpetual frustration of never getting it all done&#8211;either my job suffers, or the quality of family meals does, or the house is a disaster, or I&#8217;m sleep deprived and then I get sick because of it, or someone is mad at me for something. This is the single thing that makes the difference between entirely loving parenthood, and only loving it when I&#8217;m not being pulled in 80 directions and can actually keep my eyes open. I love my work, love my kids, love my garden, love my pets, really don&#8217;t even mind driving or cleaning&#8230; but when I have 30 hours of stuff to do in 24 hours, day after day, year after year, it&#8217;s tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love that last sentence!!  :)

You make one really good point... that they get their socializing during work. That&#039;s huge. While the business lasted, I was doing social meal preparation. In three hours, I made healthful dinners for 24 evenings, to bring home and refrigerate and freeze. It was wonderful to get so much done, and while socializing to boot. There were two places, actually, Let&#039;s Dish and Dream Dinners. If anyone has one near them, I HIGHLY recommend them, and I&#039;m praying one will come back near me! Equal or less money spent, less planning, less grocery shopping, and better health and weight control, plus many kid friendly options. *sigh* 

I sometimes dream of living in a commune where all child raising, cleaning, cooking, etc. is shared. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love that last sentence!!  <img src='http://www.workingmomsbreak.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You make one really good point&#8230; that they get their socializing during work. That&#8217;s huge. While the business lasted, I was doing social meal preparation. In three hours, I made healthful dinners for 24 evenings, to bring home and refrigerate and freeze. It was wonderful to get so much done, and while socializing to boot. There were two places, actually, Let&#8217;s Dish and Dream Dinners. If anyone has one near them, I HIGHLY recommend them, and I&#8217;m praying one will come back near me! Equal or less money spent, less planning, less grocery shopping, and better health and weight control, plus many kid friendly options. *sigh* </p>
<p>I sometimes dream of living in a commune where all child raising, cleaning, cooking, etc. is shared. <img src='http://www.workingmomsbreak.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We might have better luck with this mission if we take the approach of promoting things like more universal childcare as building better students who can be more competitive in the world economy, as well as making local communities stronger. I know in my rural community, the few kids that manage to go to the excellent childcare centers are exponentially outperforming children who didn&#039;t go to preschool. 

This means that the kindergarten teachers don&#039;t have to work as hard.

Imagine if every child went to preschool. Could we have a slightly larger class size? Or maybe start first grade material sooner? Would it wind up costing the school district less money in special education later down the line? Would our high school be able to churn out more students that were immediately employable?

I think my issue with some of our positions are working parents who really could use more help is that we talk about it so.... self-revolvingly (is that a word? ha). It&#039;s about how difficult it is to deal with a sick kid, or pump in a broom closet. We don&#039;t do a good job talking about how good childcare probably has a direct impact on future business in the US. About how I am far more likely to return to my company after my somewhat paid maternity leave, which protects their investment in me over the years. Instead, we tend to focus on how tired and stretched we are personally because we chose to have children.

I hope I am making sense. I am not against programs that make long term financial sense for myself and my country. I am against paying an extra, let&#039;s say, $5K per year in taxes and fees for my entire life to support a nation of families that may not be making good decisions about their family spending rather than $5-10K per year for the 5 years my child is in full time daycare when I worked extremely hard to find a life that could (most of the time!) roll with the punches of parenthood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might have better luck with this mission if we take the approach of promoting things like more universal childcare as building better students who can be more competitive in the world economy, as well as making local communities stronger. I know in my rural community, the few kids that manage to go to the excellent childcare centers are exponentially outperforming children who didn&#8217;t go to preschool. </p>
<p>This means that the kindergarten teachers don&#8217;t have to work as hard.</p>
<p>Imagine if every child went to preschool. Could we have a slightly larger class size? Or maybe start first grade material sooner? Would it wind up costing the school district less money in special education later down the line? Would our high school be able to churn out more students that were immediately employable?</p>
<p>I think my issue with some of our positions are working parents who really could use more help is that we talk about it so&#8230;. self-revolvingly (is that a word? ha). It&#8217;s about how difficult it is to deal with a sick kid, or pump in a broom closet. We don&#8217;t do a good job talking about how good childcare probably has a direct impact on future business in the US. About how I am far more likely to return to my company after my somewhat paid maternity leave, which protects their investment in me over the years. Instead, we tend to focus on how tired and stretched we are personally because we chose to have children.</p>
<p>I hope I am making sense. I am not against programs that make long term financial sense for myself and my country. I am against paying an extra, let&#8217;s say, $5K per year in taxes and fees for my entire life to support a nation of families that may not be making good decisions about their family spending rather than $5-10K per year for the 5 years my child is in full time daycare when I worked extremely hard to find a life that could (most of the time!) roll with the punches of parenthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what the solution is either, but I suspect it includes gov&#039;t policies like paid maternity leave, and subsidies for affordable quality child care, as well as changes in workplace policies and culture. I guess I&#039;m willing to pay a little more in taxes for things like this.

As for links that you asked for, here is one of the best reports I&#039;ve read describing the problem as it affects low, middle, and high income families, as well as some solutions: http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/01/three_faces_report.html

And one more solution story, from Sweden: http://wp.me/pVKXl-j7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the solution is either, but I suspect it includes gov&#8217;t policies like paid maternity leave, and subsidies for affordable quality child care, as well as changes in workplace policies and culture. I guess I&#8217;m willing to pay a little more in taxes for things like this.</p>
<p>As for links that you asked for, here is one of the best reports I&#8217;ve read describing the problem as it affects low, middle, and high income families, as well as some solutions: <a href="http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/01/three_faces_report.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/01/three_faces_report.html</a></p>
<p>And one more solution story, from Sweden: <a href="http://wp.me/pVKXl-j7" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/pVKXl-j7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have those countries given up something else in exchange for what you consider collective well being? Is Denmark your gold standard? What articles do you recommend reading to learn about some of the other countries that we should emulate from a family policy standpoint? What policies would be &quot;enough&quot;? I know plenty of Canadians that live paycheck to paycheck and struggle with childcare despite not having to worry about health care or maternity leave, I am sure there are Danes up to their eyes in debt who live in cities that make life a stretch.

Looking at Denmark&#039;s tax rates compared to ours on this page, how is giving up another 15% of our income to the government going to help make life easier?: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/taxes/p148855.asp

Trust me, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re invincible. Last year, my doctor was arrested in a horrific child abuse case which threw my family into a tailspin for months and changed the way I think of myself as a parent forever. And we weren&#039;t really inolved. You think you are a together parent, and bang, life kicks you in the head. Who knows. We could lose our jobs tomorrow, have everything we worked for suddenly disappear. I can only arm myself the best I can without depending on some program to be there to pick me up. If am hanging by a thread and tragedy strikes, its my fault for not seizing opportunities I had to be proactive for the past 12 years of my &quot;adulthood&quot;. (If adulthood starts at 22 :) )

I am not sure of the solution, but I still remain unconvinced that more regulation is the answer. I&#039;d love to see more companies decide on their own (like mine does to some degree) that maternity leave and somewhat flexible work arrangements are good for business, while keeping the government out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have those countries given up something else in exchange for what you consider collective well being? Is Denmark your gold standard? What articles do you recommend reading to learn about some of the other countries that we should emulate from a family policy standpoint? What policies would be &#8220;enough&#8221;? I know plenty of Canadians that live paycheck to paycheck and struggle with childcare despite not having to worry about health care or maternity leave, I am sure there are Danes up to their eyes in debt who live in cities that make life a stretch.</p>
<p>Looking at Denmark&#8217;s tax rates compared to ours on this page, how is giving up another 15% of our income to the government going to help make life easier?: <a href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/taxes/p148855.asp" rel="nofollow">http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/taxes/p148855.asp</a></p>
<p>Trust me, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re invincible. Last year, my doctor was arrested in a horrific child abuse case which threw my family into a tailspin for months and changed the way I think of myself as a parent forever. And we weren&#8217;t really inolved. You think you are a together parent, and bang, life kicks you in the head. Who knows. We could lose our jobs tomorrow, have everything we worked for suddenly disappear. I can only arm myself the best I can without depending on some program to be there to pick me up. If am hanging by a thread and tragedy strikes, its my fault for not seizing opportunities I had to be proactive for the past 12 years of my &#8220;adulthood&#8221;. (If adulthood starts at 22 <img src='http://www.workingmomsbreak.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>I am not sure of the solution, but I still remain unconvinced that more regulation is the answer. I&#8217;d love to see more companies decide on their own (like mine does to some degree) that maternity leave and somewhat flexible work arrangements are good for business, while keeping the government out of it.</p>
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